The Myth Of Secularism — A Conversation With A Typical Christian
My last two articles posted here and elsewhere elicited some violent disagreement. I wish the disagreement had come from the pagan community, but, alas, the disagreement, as is often the case, comes from the “Christian” community. Â
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One can be a “secularist” and a Christian at the same time.
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 In order to get at this best we should define the word ‘Secularist.’ A Secularist is a person who is an adherent of Secularism.
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Secularism is defined as
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sec·u·lar·ism (s k y -l -r z m)
n.
1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.
sec u·lar·ist n.
sec u·lar·is tic adj.
So a Secularist is one who views that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.
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“On what authority does the Secularist conclude that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education”?
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“How does the Secularist know that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education”?
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Once the Secularist has answered those questions we immediately see that his conviction that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public educations is itself derived from religious considerations thus putting him in immediate contradiction with his avowed principle since he is allowing his religious considerations to be included in the question of how civil affairs or public education should be structured.
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So, one cannot consistently be a Secularist and a Christian at the same time since Secularism and Christianity are two different and competing religions. The Bible says you cannot serve two masters.
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Ana-Baptist said,
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One can be a secularist and a Muslim. One can be a secularist and an atheist.
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Bret replied,
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Muslims understand that one cannot consistently be a Secularist and a Muslim though Muslims, unlike Christians, over identify the realms of Church and State. Secondly, Atheism itself is not possible therefore it is not possible to be an Atheist and a Secularist though most Atheists would say they are Secularists.
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Secularism is a religion. The fact that Muslims, or Christians or others combine their religion with the religion of Secularism only proves that people are contradictory and hypocritical.
Ana-Baptist says,
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 That is the whole point of a secular society.
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Bret responds,
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There is no such thing as a secular society if by secular society one means a society that is not derivative of or reflective of some God.
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There is no such thing as neutrality. The one who does not gather with Jesus scatters.Â
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Ana-Baptist says,
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 Secularism gets out of the way of religions and allows them the freedom to worship as they please because it doesn’t impose a religion upon them.
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The bogus nature of this thinking is just mind-boggling.
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Secularism, being a religion, dictates to the other religions just how far they are allowed to go. Secularism, being a religion, limits the expression of other religions in the public square. Secularism, being a religion, allows other religions the freedom to worship just so long as the worship of those other religions stays within boundaries that the religion of secularism dictates. Does that really sound like freedom?
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Secularism can afford to allow other religions to exist in this culture since Secularism is the Defacto State religion as seen by the State financed government schools. Since Secularism is catechizing the children into the religion of Secularism in those state funded schools, Secularism, as a religion, can afford to be generous to other religions for it is controlling the whole atmosphere in which the other religions exist. Because Secularism is the State religion and because it is so dominant all other religions end up tending to re-define themselves in terms of the State religion of Secularism so that what does indeed end up happening is that Christians are Secularists at the same time as being Christian but that is only because their Christian faith as been largely co-opted and re-defined by the faith of Secularism.
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Ana-Baptist
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This is why our friend Bret is so messed up. He disturbingly and wrongly assumes that secularism is a religion. No. It’s the absence of a religious authority.
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It is the putative Christians such as Ana-Baptist that are so ‘messed up’. Negation (in this case, the absence of religious authority) as negation cannot exist without the negation being at the same time affirmation.
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Take for example Nihilism. Nihilism is the philosophy of negation that teaches that life has no meaning. The problem with the negation though is that it is at the same time affirmation. Claiming that life has no meaning is giving some meaning to life if only the meaning of no meaning. The fact that life has no meaning means something.
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In the same way an absence of religious authority is itself religious authority. Secularism demands the absence of religious authority and that demand comes from the religious authority of Secularism. Religious authority in the civil realm hasn’t gone away. Instead what has happened is that a religion (Secularism) that masquerades as no religion is pushing a very particular religion on the civil realm. Secularism as a religion says only the State can decide what goes on in the civil realm or the public schools in terms of religion, but the dirty little secret is that the State is informed by the Humanism that informs all Secularism.Â
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All of this is smoke and mirrors concocted so that Christians can be castrated and separated from their convictions and I’m beginning to get more then a little tired of ‘Christians’ who actually push this bilge. Is Jesus Lord or not? If he is Lord then He is Lord over every realm and if we are Christians then we are responsible to seek to extend the crown rights of Jesus Christ to every realm.
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Ana-Baptist,Â
Can secularism BECOME a religion? Only if it is used to expunge other religions. But that is not how the United States and its secularism works.Â
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  Sometimes to avoid crying you just have to laugh.Â
  America does use secularism to expunge other faiths. The whole reason for the existence of government schools is to make good little Secular Humanist citizens. Once these citizens are made in the Government schools they then go into their various faith communities and redefine their faith in the direction of Secular Humanism.Â
  The fact that a ‘Christian’ can make the above statement with a straight face is proof that Secularism is expunging the Christian faith.Â
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Ana-Baptist,  Â
 Secularism is neutral. It favors no religion, nor should it. It is the common ground upon which ALL religions can form a civil society. Â
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  First, as we have seen, neutrality is a myth.Â
  Secondly, any common ground that exists between the believer and the unbeliever only exists because the unbeliever has imported Christian capital into his or her non-Christian worldview thus making the whole thing workable. Common ground exists between the believer and the unbeliever because the unbeliever isn’t living consistently with his or her god hating worldview.Â
  Thirdly, by favoring no religion Secularism is violating the command of Scripture that the rulers (in this case Secularism) are to kiss the Son lest he be angry. It is sin not to favor Christianity and any Christian who advocates a system where Christianity is not to be favored is walking contrary to Scripture.Â
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Ana-Baptist,   Â
Only a religious fundamentalist denies this because a fundamentalist is unable to see that the world is not split between himself and everyone else.  Â
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The kind of shrill advocacy that we find Ana-Baptist in favor of, in the name of Secularism, is the kind of religious fundamentalism that is turning this country into a balkanized State where only the force of the State can keep the disparate parts together.  Â
Balkanism is where Secularism leads.  Â
Ana-Baptist,  Â
The world has many divisions, many religions.  Â
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Scripture says that there are only two religions. There are those who are of their father the Devil and those who are of the seed of the Woman. When we try and create a culture where all religions are equal what we are creating is a culture where Jesus is just one of the gods in the National pantheon. Jesus is one of the gods to be invoked, in times of crisis, along with all the other gods, for National Unity by the God of the gods. This GOD is the State (fallen man in his politically organized expression) and He is the god of Secularism though Secularism has to deny it if it wants to keep up its masquerade.
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Ana-Baptist,  Â
All of them can ONLY be respected if they respect each other. They don’t have to agree, but they must respect each other’s right to exist and to live.Â
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  I respect the right of Muslims, Jews, and Secular Humanists to live in Islamic, Jewish and Secular Humanist lands. I respect that they are made in God’s image and so must be evangelized.  I respect that they think they need to convert me.Â
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I do not respect the gods they serve. I do not respect their gutter religions. I do not respect their attempts to re-organize this culture according to their respective religions.Â
Ana-Baptist,Only reason and work and a dedication to a secular society can create the kind of world which will allow each religion to blossom fully and prevent the kind of autocratic authoritarianism which is the hallmark of every theocracy ever founded.Â
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  First, reason is not neutral. Reason is beholden to some God concept though Secularists like Ana-Baptist would likely think that reason, like Secularism, favors no religion.Â
  Secondly, no religion can blossom fully unless the God it is beholden to is Lord over all. For example, Secularism has blossomed fully because the God it is beholden to (Men considered in their collective capacity) is now the putative Lord over all in America. It practices autocratic authoritarianism to the hilt (Confiscatory Taxation, Government regulation, Educational supremacy, Social engineering, etc.) Â
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Thirdly, We have a Theocracy now. It is the Theocracy of the God Demos and it is sometimes called Democracy. It has been created by the pursuit of Secularism.Â
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Until Christians wake up and realize that neutrality is a myth we are never going to see Reformation and awakening. I am beginning to wonder if this issue of neutrality is becoming the watershed issue that will divide the Church between those ‘Christians’ who will pinch incense to Caeser and those who will insist that Jesus is Lord. Â
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